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However… I’ve been casually studying Gregg for over a year now and the biggest problems that I have with it are: Fine motor skill requirements. My handwriting is not very good to begin with, and I’m left handed to boot, and I find that I can’t seem to consistently make nice curves for ‘v’ and ‘f’ that are distinguishable, or for ‘b’ and ‘p’, or for ‘a’ and ‘e’.
How fast is Forkner?
It’s just sloppy handwriting that I can’t seem to get past and it makes reading and writing my notes even harder. As pretty as Gregg is to look at and it is prettybut from a practical point of view I can’t glance shortband or scan my Gregg notes and quickly determine what I’ve written. This is especially true with something like a To-Do List where each item is unrelated to the other items on the list, so context doesn’t help much.
I can’t look at a Gregg outline and quickly know what it is without slowing down to read every curve. When a child learns to read, he begins by learning the sounds that are associated with each letter.
Then he shorthane to decode words by sounding out each letter in the word and stringing the associated sounds together. Eventually, he gains fluency and can read words in entire chunks without decoding each forkber letter. Now I suppose that with enough very dedicated practice that this is possible with Gregg too, but I honestly see the learning curve to achieve this as probably too steep to be practical. I really love Gregg shorthand.
I love its graceful curves, it’s logic, it’s efficiency. It really is the Cadillac of shorthand systems, I think. And I really wanted the Cadillac! But I’ve come to realize that I can’t afford the Caddy in terms of time. There are definitely trade-offs between legibility and speed, ease-of-learning and speed, etc. So that brought me to Forkner I haven’t seen Speedwriting yet or Quickhand so I don’t know how those two stack up to Forkner.
Again, too cryptic to decypher. I just don’t know if Forkner or any other alpha system is up to the task. Any thoughts or recommendations are appreciated.
Forkner shorthand – Wikipedia
I have a few Forkner textbooks. I haven’t studied the system, but the printed pages look superficially to me almost exactly like SpeedWriting. My guess is that if you can do a search and find speed information related to SpeedWriting, the same data will apply to Forkner. Having learned Forkner first, I have to admit that it does use many of the same principles as Forknerr, though it is a slower system.
Mind you, few people would need to take verbatum shorthand these days. If you don’t need great speed, Forkner is easy enough to learn. Gregg has one other great advantage—privacy. I have done fokner and the fastest I could get was wpm. I was pushing it at on short material. Alphabetic systems, such as Speedwriting, Forkner etc. I know there are differences in the efficiency of alphabetic systems, but even so I think these limits apply generally across the board.
So, in comparison to Gregg, it should be really slow. IMO, with a decent knowledge of Anniv Gregg, one should be writing about wpm comfortably. Mail has the best spam protection sshorthand http: If speed isn’t imporant and learning quickly is, then an alphabet system is for you.
I learned speedwriting easily and could read my notes easily. So you are welcome to learn Forkner if that is what you want. You can always learn Gregg or any other system later if you choose to, although not necessary. If Gregg’s anything like Pitman and I suspect it is, in this respect you should be able to read each outline at a glance. Just like you’re reading these longhand words.
fofkner When I was doing an hour a day, 15 minutes of that period was spent reading each group of outlines until I forknr decipher each outline immediately. Yes, George, I agree with you that spending some time each day would eventually lead to better reading fluency. With three elementary school aged kids, the best I could do is probably 15 minutes a day, but every little bit helps I guess. My plan is not to abandon Gregg, but to get an easier system under my belt that I can use right away while working on Gregg fluency when I have time.
I have to admit that I’m a real puzzle person at heart — former computer programmer — and I really like the mystery and code-like nature of Gregg. It’s like crossword puzzles and sudoku to me. In fact, I’ve even created my own version of Gregg while on vacation last month that eliminates some of the writing and reading problems that I have with ‘regular’ Gregg.
It sacrifices speed a little, I’m sure, in order to gain shorghand legibility sjorthand me at least. Jim, I assume you experienced speeds similar to Debi — around wpm and that this was sufficient? Also, has anyone ever used SuperWrite?
How does it compare with Forkner, Speedwriting, etc.? I appreciate everyone’s comments very much. Kim, you might wish to consider Teeline. While there’s nothing wrong with Forkner, it’s foekner dead system, while Teeline is alive and well in the Commonwealth. In fact, you can take classes by correspondence course, and there’s even a free online course available.
It uses only alphabetic characters — no symbols at all. You don’t have to change the way you write any of the characters. I assume speed is similar to Forkner but they have speedbuilding materials up totho Fornker think that speed is unlikely. The biggest problem with Forkner was that it was in competition with Pitman and Gregg and did not have anywhere near the speed potential of either.
Forkner Shorthand Samples
My biggest complaint about teeline is the difficulty getting materials for it, at least here in Canada. I’ve been looking for books, but everything in abebooks or amazon seems to come from England, with a hefty shipping charge. Mind you, the amazon site is showing a new book on teeline, Teeline for Forknwr August 18,which comes with an MP3 CD of exercizes so that you can teach yourself and build speed.
Perhaps there is one kind of shorthand that has survived extinction. Gregg, and Pitman New Era the acme of Pitmanis quite dead, in terms of being taught in public schools.
It’s preferred by some over Teeline because Pitman is a little bit more versatile. Even Pitman can be cranked up to wpm, but that’s not until a lot of abbreviations from New Era are introduced.
By itself, its apogee is about wpm. In this respect, Pitman is a lot like Diamond Jubilee Gregg. Pitman is still used widely in the Middle East surprisingly. As an aside, it’s my understanding that Pitman New Era is the form of choice for court reporting in India. Teeline has become more popular, however, because of its relative ease of learning. It has taken over the secretary’s market. It’s widely taught in the UK. I agree with you—it’s refreshing to see that shorthand fotkner some form has survived extinction.
At my high school they taught both Gregg and Forkner. I shorthqnd a classmate who was in the Forkner class. At the end of the year, she was writing accurately at wpm. I missed hitting the wpm by one test before the end of the year. It seems to have had pretty decent possibilities. By the time I got to my second year, they merged the advanced students we had a text book that was published in both forms.
It seem to remember at that point that the Gregg writers were slightly faster than the Forkner folks. By the end of my second year, I was writing wpm and I think whorthand Forkner students were doing pretty consistently. I’m not sure I’d ever switch from Gregg, but I have to admit that, like GB Shaw, I never recommend it or any other non-alpha system—for the very reasons you’ve stated.
Also, is Forkner positional? How does it look? I can’t seem to find any examples on the internet.
Forker is a mostly alphabetic shorthand. I do foekner that there was one stroke in Forkner that looked much like the Gregg “gay” stroke. It uses capital letters to represent certain word beginnings. I thought I had a beginning Forker book somewhere. I’m really torn about pursuing it any more. On the one hand, it’s much easier to legibly write on the bus, which is where I do the majority of my writing shotthand of class.
It’s also really easy to pick up concepts, and the vowels are a cinch. On the other, if you already have experience in Gregg four years herethere’s no reason to switch over to another system except out of curiosity or for fun.
I’m personally too scatterbrained to do two systems, but my stint with Forkneer was very interesting and informative! I know Forkner thoroughly except for those pesky rarely-used -fixesbut never worked at the speed. My text says there are companion cassettes for pwm for the second term after the sborthand has been learned. It’s good to know it can be pushed faser.